(UPDATED 111711 – 010612) H.R.822 – National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011

HOW CAN THIS TAKE A HARD LEFT ON US?

As I read this Bill, on the surface it seems fairly benign and well intentioned, but as I apply a few brain cells of thought to this, I find a few problems with it.  First off, and the most obvious problem, is the very real possibility that this legislation could be “modified” in the future in such a way that it actually becomes detrimental to our rights under the 2nd Amendment.  If you read the text, the 2nd is specifically and conspicuously mentioned, however, this means nothing as this legislation, as with all others is subject to change and there is no reason why we should believe that it wouldn’t be changed in ways that it wasn’t originally planned.  Everyone should know as well as I do that once the Feds get their grubby hands on ANYTHING, it gets screwed up in ways that always flow in the direction of the prevailing political winds.  This legislation is no different.  Realistically, it comes down to a level of trust, and right now I have ZERO faith and trust in the Federal Government, in its current state.  This could prove to be the “Trojan Horse” the anti-gunners are looking for.  Secondly, there will be an issue of standards of training because each state has established their own level of competency each applicant must meet in order to be issued a CWP (Concealed Weapon Permit).  For example, say one state does not require anything but a clean background in order to be issued a CWP, but another state requires a minimum level of training in order to be permitted to carry concealed in their state.  How is the Federal Government going to reconcile this disparity?  If I was in a State Legislature that requires a higher level of competency, I would not be happy about having a bunch of people walking around packing that may or may not be competent to carry.  As a citizen of that state I would be concerned for the same reasons.  Does this mean that this function would no longer be the responsibility of the states?  What about states rights?  This Legislation walks all over that issue.  And thirdly, how would this law, if enacted play into the UN Inter-American Arms Treaty being negotiated right now by the Secretary of State in the Obama Administration? With the Feds in control of these permits, there could be provisions in this treaty, if ratified, that would have serious effects and require the government to enact draconian conditions on the issuance of these permits, thusly putting foreign governments in control of our 2nd Amendment.  In conclusion, I am opposed to this legislation for the reasons outlined above.

MY NOTE:

I sent this as a letter to my Reps on this subject.  So should you.

RESPONSE FROM MARIA CANTWELL 102111

Thank you for contacting me with your comments regarding concealed carry laws and reciprocity agreements. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.
Under existing law, the authority to issue concealed carry permits falls within state jurisdiction. Washington State is a “shall-issue” state meaning that residents who meet the necessary criteria (e.g. at least 21 years of age) shall be issued a concealed carry permit upon request. Currently, each state decides which out-of-state permits they will honor. This is done via reciprocity and recognition agreements. In Washington State, the concealed carry permits of other states receive reciprocity only if the licensing state: (1) does not issue permits to individuals under the age of 21, and (2) requires mandatory fingerprint-based background checks of criminal and mental health history (RCW 9.41.073).
As you know, Senator John Thune (SD) introduced Senate Amendment 1618 (S.Amdt. 1618) to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010 (S. 1390) on July 17, 2009. This amendment would have preempted reciprocity agreements, including those of Washington State. In effect, it would have created a nationalized concealed carry permit set at the lowest issuance standard. Washington State would be forced to grant reciprocity to any permit holder, even if the issuing state did not meet the basic safety and suitability requirements of Washington State law. I opposed this amendment which was not agreed to by the Senate on July 20, 2009.
As your Senator, you can be assured that I will work to protect the legitimate rights of law-abiding American gun-owners, while continuing to support responsible gun control legislation to reduce crime and make our communities safer. I believe both of these goals are important and can be simultaneously accomplished through common-sense gun laws and stricter enforcement of existing laws. Thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts on this matter. You may also be interested in signing up for periodic updates for Washington State residents. If you are interested in subscribing to this update, please visit my website at http://cantwell.senate.gov. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Maria Cantwell
United States Senator

For future correspondence with my office, please visit my website at
http://cantwell.senate.gov/contact/index.html

MY NOTE:  She did not address my concerns adequately and did not mention the UN Inter-American Arms Treaty

UPDATED

010612   (OUT OF ORDER)

Reply from Maria Cantwell

Thank you for contacting me with your comments regarding concealed carry laws and reciprocity agreements. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.
Under existing law, the authority to issue concealed carry permits for firearms falls within state jurisdiction. Washington State is a
“shall-issue” state, meaning that residents who meet the necessary criteria (e.g. at least 21 years of age) shall be issued a concealed
carry permit upon request. Currently, each state decides what out-of-state permits it will honor. This is done via reciprocity and
recognition agreements. In Washington State, the concealed carry permits of other states receive reciprocity only if the licensing state: (1) does not issue permits to individuals under the age of 21, and (2) requires mandatory fingerprint-based background checks of criminal and mental health history (RCW 9.41.073).  On February 18, 2011, Representative Cliff Stearns (R-FL) introduced the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011 (H.R. 822) in the U.S. House of Representatives. This proposed legislation was passed out of the House of Representatives and has been referred to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, where it is awaiting further review. If enacted, this legislation would amend the federal criminal code to authorize a person with a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by one state to carry a concealed handgun in another state in accordance with that state’s restrictions. The legislation would not apply to those prohibited from possessing, transporting, or receiving firearms under federal law.  As your Senator, you can be assured that I will work to protect the legitimate rights of law-abiding American gun-owners, while continuing
to support responsible gun control legislation to reduce crime and make our communities safer. I believe both of these goals are important and can be simultaneously accomplished through common-sense gun laws and stricter enforcement of existing laws.
Thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts on this matter. You may also be interested in signing up for periodic updates for Washington State residents. If you are interested in subscribing to this update, please visit my website at http://cantwell.senate.gov. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Maria Cantwell
United States Senator

For future correspondence with my office, please visit my website at
http://cantwell.senate.gov/contact/

 

UPDATED 102611

HR 822 PASSES COMMITTEE HURDLE

EMAIL FROM NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR GUN RIGHTS 111711:

I was right to be concerned.Not only was H.R. 822 — the Trojan horse gun control bill — passed out of the House of Representatives this evening, it was passed with an amendment that would open the door to federal biometric requirements for concealed firearms permits and a federally-administered database of all permit holders.

Only 7 Republican Members of Congress stood against federal overreach in the concealed carry process by opposing this bill (you can see how your Representative voted here:http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll852.xml).

The bill was amended this afternoon by ostensibly “pro-gun” Republicans to require a study be done on the ability of law enforcement officers to verify the validity of out-of-state concealed firearm permits.

You and I both know what this means. A year from now, the study will come back stating that the only way to “verify” out-of-state permits is through federally-mandated biometric requirements for concealed firearm permits and Congress “must” create a nationally administered database of all concealed weapon permit holders.

One of my biggest concerns about this bill — the lists of gun owners a permit process creates — should send shivers down your spine: Imagine Eric Holder and the BATFE with a national database of concealed carry permit holders.

It’s bad enough to have those lists exist at a state level. Once Eric Holder and his cronies find a way to request that list from a state, they’ll do it — all the in the name of “implementing H.R. 822.”

The legislation now moves to the Harry Reid-run Senate, where companion legislation is expected to be introduced in the coming days. I have no doubt that the anti-gunners in the Senate will use this as an opportunity to make H.R. 822 even worse.

What troubles me most about this battle is the institutional gun lobby has been leading the charge for this legislation. In fact, they’ve been brow-beating Members of Congress who dare to question the consequences of passing such a broad, overreaching piece of legislation.

Republican Congressman Justin Amash (MI-03) fought back against the institutional gun lobby for its support of H.R. 822:

“It’s remarkably bold of the National Rifle Association to send out false and misleading messages regarding H R 822, an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing. I would support legislation that gets the federal government out of the way of states that want to recognize other states’ concealed carry permits. In contrast, H R 822 will hurt gun rights by conceding broad new authority to the federal government to override state sovereignty.

Gun rights advocates have fought hard to prevent liberal abuse of the Commerce Clause that would restrict gun rights… I am disappointed that the NRA has decided to put its own interests ahead of the interests of gun owners. Fortunately, many other gun rights groups rightly oppose H R 822.”

Please call your Senator at (202) 224-3121 and tell them you want to keep the government’s hands off your permit and that you oppose federal intrusion into the concealed weapons permit process.

Thank you for taking action to keep the federal government out of the concealed firearms permit system.

For Freedom,

  
   Dudley Brown
   Executive Director



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  1. #1 by Rick L on 10/16/2011 - 8:57 pm

    Well first thing as you stated, the Federal Government can not be trusted. Let me repeat that, the Federal Government can not be trusted. In order to understand what our Government has in store for us as far as gun control across the board, one would have to dedicate himself to reading all that pertains to it, including any H.R. reforms passed or in Legislation that have hidden agenda’s, and being able to comprehend in their terminology (as convoluted as it may be). To also read in between the lines “sort of speak”. This would be the only way to know what these scoundrels are up to.
    Of course I’m just speculating here, but my guess is our Government wants a Socialist Society and be able to control the masses like North Korea. Of course they will lead us to believe they are not taking away our Constitutional Rights. But in all reality, if they keep telling the same old lies over and over, people will start to believe them while they continue on their path of destruction.
    The best the American people can do is defend what our Forefathers had designed by holding onto the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Which will be no easy task by any means seeing as how daily we are getting more and more immigrants both legal and illegal who neither care or understand English well enough to comprehend the Constitution. This will dilute the citizens that actually know what this country used to stand for other than why these immigrants came here in the first place. You, know, a Land of opportunity and get away from their demise in their own country. Hence, Freedom. And who’s to say these immigrants even know or care about a CWP? Anyone with bad intent will not even consider the Law. There have been plenty examples of people not caring http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/killed-southern-california-salon-shooting-14726413. Now if one of these girls would have had a weapon and the knowledge to use it, it would deter this kind of behavior. Also some of these girls would be alive today. This goes without mentioning some of the reader’s stories you see in the NRA magazine where numerous criminals have been shot in self defense. Not something that could happen if our weapons are taken away. CWP should be allowed by anyone that feels secure enough about themselves doing so. After all, criminals don’t need a Permit to carry a weapon, they just need a reason to carry a weapon and one needs to protect himself from that. Of course this next story is no gun issue, http://thepolicenews.net/default.aspx?newsletterid=27363&category=News+1-2&act=Newsletter.aspx&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 but still the same, the people need to get involved (I have to commend the Officer for keeping his report short and sweet).
    To sum this up. Gun control is being able to hit a Bulls Eye 20 times at 100 paces and support of the NRA. It’s not what our Government wants to do to us by ignoring the Constitution of the United Sates.

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